tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7687886961771238263.post2255641410617772469..comments2023-12-28T14:51:34.281-05:00Comments on Notes on Arab Orthodoxy: Fr Touma Bitar Evaluates the Crete Meeting: Conciliarity and Consultation (I)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7687886961771238263.post-40903681009841153962016-09-29T11:55:43.732-04:002016-09-29T11:55:43.732-04:00Thanks for responding.
Just to qualify my above co...Thanks for responding.<br />Just to qualify my above comment, I believe St. Mark did in fact complain about the term "Vicar of Christ" in the <i>Encyclical Letter</i>. Either that means (i) he made a compromise at the council (ii) his experience at the council changed his mind completely (iii) the records from the council misrepresented St. Mark.Georgios Scholarioshttp://georgiosscholarios.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7687886961771238263.post-76514976796788013532016-08-29T15:17:22.651-04:002016-08-29T15:17:22.651-04:00I think such expressions, even on the lips of sain...I think such expressions, even on the lips of saints, are examples of the sort of hyperbole that Fr Touma decries here: http://araborthodoxy.blogspot.com/2016/08/fr-touma-bitar-evaluates-crete-meeting_29.html<br /><br />To mean "Vicar of Christ" or "His All-Holiness" literally would be blasphemy.Samn!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14142811721903345946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7687886961771238263.post-42235617916848585832016-08-23T18:59:14.283-04:002016-08-23T18:59:14.283-04:00One problem I see with this common claim among us ...One problem I see with this common claim among us Orthodox that there is no head of the Church but Christ is that St. Mark of Ephesus said something different at the Council of Florence: "Regarding the principle of the pope ... he is the <i>pontifex maximus</i> and administrator and superintendent and vicar of Christ, shepherd and teacher of all Christians, to direct and govern the Church of God, provided that privileges and rights of the Eastern patriarchs are guarded" (<a href="http://www.academia.edu/15180881/_Mark_of_Ephesus_the_Council_of_Florence_and_the_Roman_Papacy_in_J._Chryssavgis_editor_Primacy_in_the_Church_The_Office_of_Primacy_and_the_Authority_of_Councils_v._1_SVS_Press_31_Jan_2016_109-150" rel="nofollow">source</a>, p. 137). I think St. Symeon of Thessalonica says something similar. Now, I know that other medieval Orthodox writers disagreed with this and said things like the Pope of Rome is first among equals, and that there is no head but Christ, etc.<br /><br />What do you think?Georgios Scholarioshttp://georgiosscholarios.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com